Christians causing atheism??

16 May

I read that one of the biggest causes of atheism is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips & deny Him with their lives. That’s pretty serious business. Becoming a Christian doesn’t mean that you become perfect overnight… those are irrealistic expectations. We are still sinners, we still make mistakes… & we always will until the day we are made complete into His image. But there is some validity to being in control of your everyday behavior.

 A couple of weekends ago I was in the presence of a married couple that were almost falling over drunk & letting F bombs fly out of their mouths like it was the most natural thing they’d every spoke. I don’t hold people to a Christ-like standard if they aren’t Believers… that would be irrealistic as well. At the end of the night, as the wife was doing her best to coral her drunk husband to the car, she mentioned that she was ready to go home since they had to be up for church in the morning. What?!!! I was trying so hard not to be judgmental of them, but I almost couldn’t help myself, not for their sake, but for the sake of the people that they are around that aren’t Believers & see them as their “Christian friends”. People forget sometimes that as Christians, sometimes we are the only Bible that some people will ever read!

One of the first services that we went to at LWFC, Pastor made a bold statement. He said that you can’t keep straddling the fence, you have to make the decision to either be a Christian or not! You can’t stay childlike in Christ forever. Cursing in your everyday language is not a “mistake”. Getting plastered on Saturday & then dragging yourself to church on Sun morning is not a “mistake”. Either make the decision to live for Christ or make the decision to live for yourself. You can’t do both. You can’t be a Christian on Sundays or when you feel like it… it’s a 24/7, lifetime commitment. I’ll get an email from someone one day that is filled with curse words or other vulgarities, & an email the next day from the same person that is filled with scripture & Christian clipart. Huh?

I was thinking about why people do these things. If they believe in Christ, they know that these behaviors are unacceptable… so why would they continue to do it? Do they just lack self-control? Is it temptation? Are they trying to please people/friends & forgetting that pleasing God is the only One that matters? Are they complexed with trying to “fit-in”? I’m sure it’s a combination of these things.

Becoming a Christian means making some tough choices. As long as you are pleasing your Father, it shouldn’t matter what the world thinks…. especially unbelievers. Do you really expect them to relate to the fact that you are following a greater authority? In my first few months as a Christian I made some of the hardest decisions of my life. I spent many hours in prayer making sure that the decisions came from the Lord. I have been ridiculed for some of my decisions, but I know now that I’m the one that followed God & Jesus gave me His strength to do these things in order to live for Him. It’s the people that think I’m a prude or a bad person that don’t have that kind of strength. They still fall under temptation, they are still trying to “fit-in”, they are still trying to please people instead of their Lord, & they still haven’t found the kind of godly strength to maintain self-control. No one said that becoming a Christian would always be easy, but there comes a point in your Christian walk that you have to make the decision to either “be” or “not to be”…. Henry Blackaby refers to it as a “Crisis Of Belief”…. a crossroad/moment where you have to decide to obey & experience God, or live for yourself.

Joyce Meyer advised us “not to be the one with a Christian bumper sticker, flipping people off during a fit of road rage. Remember that you’re behavior is a reflection of who you represent… are you a reflection of Christ?”

Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.  Romans 12:2

Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you.    1 John 3:13

 

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17 Responses to “Christians causing atheism??”

  1. Bad May 16, 2008 at 4:49 pm #

    I think the problem here is not that Christians are not perfect, but that the idea that they have hit upon any sort of special path towards perfection doesn’t hold up either. When atheists can be just as good (and have just the same faults as well) as anyone else, regardless of religion, the idea that a particular religious belief really does much of anything that can’t be done by something else comes under question.

  2. cschellenberg May 16, 2008 at 5:04 pm #

    So true… thanks for the thoughts! I love those verses – –

    -cs
    http://chrisschellenberg.com/

  3. vanessathompson May 16, 2008 at 6:32 pm #

    In response to “Bad”…. I’m not sure I understand where your moral compass falls if you have no belief system. If you don’t believe in God’s Word & His instructions on wrong vs. right, then why wouldn’t you use vulgar language? How do you determine that it’s wrong?

    & as far as good deeds… you can be the best person on earth, but your deeds still won’t get you into heaven without the belief in Jesus Christ as your Savior.

  4. Morse May 16, 2008 at 7:29 pm #

    “If you don’t believe in God’s Word & His instructions on wrong vs. right, then why wouldn’t you use vulgar language? How do you determine that it’s wrong?”

    Empathy, which every almost every human is born with. That, along with observation, logic and experience allow me to determine what is good and bad.

    “& as far as good deeds… you can be the best person on earth, but your deeds still won’t get you into heaven without the belief in Jesus Christ as your Savior.”

    And this is why, even if he actually existed, I would not worship your god. Luckily he almost certainly does not.

  5. vanessathompson May 16, 2008 at 7:36 pm #

    Empathy is given to us from God. It isn’t something that you develop on your own. You are absolutely born with it… & it came from your CREATOR.

    The debate on your moral compass is not a good one. observation, logic, & experience have nothing to do with whether cursing or obscene gestures is right or wrong.

    & my God does exist… & there will come a day when every single person will proclaim that!

  6. Morse May 16, 2008 at 7:49 pm #

    “Empathy is given to us from God. It isn’t something that you develop on your own. You are absolutely born with it… & it came from your CREATOR.”

    You’ll have to back that up with some evidence. As it is, it seems that other animals have rudimentary empathy. There is evidence that social animals evolve empathy and basic morals in order to more easily survive. Which suggests that that is how humans got it.

    You’re just asserting that I have a creator and that it gave me morals. Which is fine, but if you want to convince people you need evidence.

    “The debate on your moral compass is not a good one. observation, logic, & experience have nothing to do with whether cursing or obscene gestures is right or wrong.”

    Sure they do. Observation, logic, and experience tell me when it is okay to curse or use obscene gestures and when it is not. I know not to curse around some people as they will be offended, and how cursing around others is viewed as amusing or it is entirely ignored. Experience and logic tell me that, and it’s worked out lovely.

    “& my God does exist… & there will come a day when every single person will proclaim that!”

    Well he certainly is taking his time, isn’t he? According to the bible he’s about 2,000 years late, last I checked.

  7. vanessathompson May 16, 2008 at 8:17 pm #

    I appreciate your input & opinions, but my blog surely isn’t the right place for you. I believe in Jesus Christ. I believe that he died for YOURS & my sin… whether we accept it or not. I believe that my eternity will be glorious! & my entire blog is a documentation of my journey of that belief.

    You should read “A Case For Christ” or “A Case For Faith”… if you really want to be theological about it. Stretch your mind a little. I myself need no more evidence than what I’ve been given… from there I live on FAITH… & what a blessed life I live!

    & the Lord isn’t late for His return. It’s not our place to decide His timing. He resides OVER time, He doesn’t live in it. He’s always right on time 🙂

  8. lnfritzky May 16, 2008 at 9:55 pm #

    what an excellent post vanessa, — its so funny i was just thinking about this today. and i think you worded it wonderfully… i hope you know how much you are appreciated, everyday by everyone… especially God 😉

  9. Bad May 18, 2008 at 3:01 am #

    In response to “Bad”…. I’m not sure I understand where your moral compass falls if you have no belief system.

    I think you are confused. Atheists are not without moral convictions. They are simply without the particular set of beliefs that constitute theism.

    If you don’t believe in God’s Word & His instructions on wrong vs. right, then why wouldn’t you use vulgar language? How do you determine that it’s wrong?

    Even if there was a God that still wouldn’t be particularly relevant to morality. A God can offer punishments or bribes, but neither of those things make anything moral or immoral. Things can only be moral or immoral intrinsically, and we can only discover this via reason and some sort of pre-existing valuing of certain things, such as the lives and feelings of others. God’s existence makes no difference either way.

    & as far as good deeds… you can be the best person on earth, but your deeds still won’t get you into heaven without the belief in Jesus Christ as your Savior.

    I understand this is what you believe, but it’s irrelevant to this topic. The issue was that the particular theology one subscribes to doesn’t seem to make a difference as to whether they are good or not.

    Empathy is given to us from God. It isn’t something that you develop on your own. You are absolutely born with it… & it came from your CREATOR.

    This is an illustration of what I mean. You believe that we have empathy. So, we have it. And it’s thus a moot point where it came from. Since you already agree that we have it, it wouldn’t matter if it had not come from God. We’d still have it.

    & my God does exist… & there will come a day when every single person will proclaim that!

    According to Jewish scripture, this event would in fact be one of the primary signs that the messiah and the messianic age have arrived, for which the Jews are still waiting.

  10. iheartkiserboston May 18, 2008 at 4:16 am #

    Have any of you studied the gross anatomy of humans…or animals..for those of you that want to throw them in the mix? How can you possible explain the complicated human body and how each system is made to compliment and benefit the other? Do any of you have children? They are simply a miracle…that the human body can grow a child? I don’t understand how you people think this can happen without the ALMIGHTY GOD!!!!

    Do you belive in the teachings of Alexander the Great? His life story was written some 500 years after his death!! 500 years. The life store of Jesus Christ…only a mere 30? That seems more easy to believe to me.

    As far as they Jews and their waiting on the Messiah….check out the new testiment. It is GREAT reading. And maybe you will learn something about morals, observation, logic and experience.

    Check out the book, A Case for Christ. It will statisfy all your closed minds and answer the questions you so quickly want to throw up in your “athesist” defense. If you don’t check it out…I simply take that to mean you are scared of finding the real truth and you are just as closed minded as your comments sound!!!!!!!!

    May God Bless and keep you all…May His light shine on you and may He be gracious to you even in your disbelief and doubt. May He look upon you all and give you a peace you so desperatly need.

  11. Bad May 18, 2008 at 6:14 am #

    I’ve read Case for Christ. It isn’t convincing. If you already believe what it believes, or want to, you will likely miss the problems with the arguments, because you won’t be looking for them. It’s basically a book aimed at someone who already believes its conclusions.

    And I’ve “checked out” the New Testament plenty. I’m a confirmed Methodist and even studied it academically. Studying it didn’t make the messianic problems go away, it just made them more and more clear.

    You can say that I’m close-minded to the truth. But then someone could say the same back to you, and where does that get anyone?

    “I don’t understand how you people think this can happen…”

    I think that’s the problem in a nutshell. You don’t understand what or how the people you disagree with think.

  12. peak9 May 18, 2008 at 1:13 pm #

    This sums it up for me:

    “The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1 Corinthians 2:14)

    Bad confirmed this verse to be truth by saying,”And I’ve ‘checked out’ the New Testament plenty…Studying it didn’t make the messianic problems go away, it just made them more and more clear.”

    Also, morality based on relativism is not morality. God has established absolutes for humanity, everything else is man-made and worthless. For example, adultery is defined by man to be a sexual relationship by a married person with someone else he or she is not married to. This means a married man can enjoy a strip club without committing adultery or a married woman can lust after her trainer. Wrong. God defines adultery like this: “But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” (Matthew 5:28) A married person can think he or she is “good” even when lusting after the opposite sex.

    Goodness and badness are not relative. Atheists cannot grasp this because there is no God in there mind. For them, man decides what is good and what is bad, thus man can change the rules whenever he wants to better suit his desires.

  13. iheartkiserboston May 18, 2008 at 3:14 pm #

    Bad…are you Jewish..or atheist? You must choose you see. You can’t proclaim one and throw in bits and pieces of other religions as you choose to make yourself sound smart. The Jews still believe in God!!

  14. vanessathompson May 18, 2008 at 4:13 pm #

    I love you Lori! Let God use you to speak His truth!

    & “Bad”… you attacked my defenses saying that they aren’t even the topic. Well… my blog (which is where this whole debate derived from) has NOTHING to do with the issues that you decide to rise. The blog was about Christians that don’t live by what they believe… not whether God exist.

    Guess I should’ve never tagged this “atheism”.

    The beautiful thing is that even though you don’t believe & you think that we are a bunch of close-minded looneys… we will pray for you anywany. We will ask God to bless you in the midst of your confusion, we will ask Him to be merciful…. because what we believe is the goodness of our Lord & the power of our prayers.

    At the end of the day… we know where we’re going when this life ends. What a sad fact that you are still confused about that. I pray that God will draw you into His truth & that although we won’t meet in this lifetime… will meet in heaven! God bless you

  15. vanessathompson May 18, 2008 at 4:23 pm #

    oh & Amen to Peak9 on the scripture reference (1 Corinthians 2:14). & his comparison to man made morals vs. God’s absolute morals. This world is always changing, but the Bible says that God NEVER changes… He is always the same, yesterday, today, & evermore. I’m sticking with Him… I don’t trust this world. Look at the next generation… is this who want determining our morals? No thanks.

  16. peak9 May 19, 2008 at 5:56 pm #

    Bad likes to pop up when Christians take on atheism. The blogoshpere is their refuge.

  17. peak9 May 19, 2008 at 5:59 pm #

    Atheists that is.

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